Taylors Legacy will be like that of Phil Collins (in some way)
First of all: I know he's an icon, no drumm solo will ever hit as hard as in the air tonight and his contribution to Disney soundtracks secured him a spot in heaven.
Now that this is said hear me out:
Ive read Phil Collins Wikipedia article (as one does) and when I came to the section about his public perception it reminded me a bit of Taylor. We had quite a lot of posts on here about what her legacy might be and how she might be perceived in the future and after reading the Wikipedia article I wonder if she might be seen as a figure similar to Phil Collins.
Here are a few excerpts I copied from the article. Check out the actual article for the sources.
Back in the day he apparently was very overexposed.
"Several critics have commented on Collins's omnipresence, especially in the 1980s and early 1990s.
Journalist Frank DiGiacomo wrote a 1999 piece for New York Observer titled The Collins Menace; he said, "Even when I sought to escape the sounds [of Collins] in my head by turning on the TV, there would be Mr. Collins ... mugging for the cameras—intent on showing the world just how hard he would work to sell millions of records to millions of stupid people."
In his 2010 article "Love Don't Come Easy: Artists we Love to Hate", The Irish Times critic Kevin Courtney expressed similar sentiments. Naming Collins as one of the ten most disliked pop stars in the world, he wrote: "[Collins] performed at Live Aid, playing first at Wembley, then flying over to Philadelphia via Concorde, just to make sure no one in the U.S. got off lightly. By the early 1990s, Phil phatigue [sic] had really set in.""
Jetting around between the two live aids aka the superbowl journeys.
There's the discussion about whose fault it is when it comes to overexposure as well as criticism about the cheesiness of the music:
"Tim Chester of the New Musical Express alluded to the backlash against Collins in an article titled, "Is It Time We All Stopped Hating Phil Collins?" Chester said of the unrelenting derision he has suffered, "a lot of it he brings on himself." He also said that Collins was "responsible for some of the cheesiest music ever committed to acetate"."
He has peers who hate and criticise him (Gallaghers) but others are very fond of him (Osbourne, Crosby, Brian May).
He addressed the criticisms regarding his omnipresence:
"Collins acknowledged in 2010 that he had been "omnipresent". He said of his character: "The persona on stage came out of insecurity ... it seems embarrassing now. I recently started transferring all my VHS tapes onto DVD to create an archive, and everything I was watching, I thought, 'God, I'm annoying.' I appeared to be very cocky, and really I wasn't."
Collins concedes his status as a figure of contempt for many people and has said that he believes this is a consequence of his music being overplayed.
In 2011 he said: "The fact that people got so sick of me wasn't really my fault. ... It's hardly surprising that people grew to hate me. I'm sorry that it was all so successful. I honestly didn't mean it to happen like that!""
I wonder if Taylor ever looks back and decides to speak about her own omnipresence and if so I'm curious if she will acknowledge her own need to be constantly on the charts, releasing music etc or if she will blame others. Of course it's also the media who will spread her image and radio stations etc who play her songs but she gives them the material.
"Tim Chester of the New Musical Express described Collins as "the go-to guy for ironic appreciation and guilty pleasures" and stated he was responsible for "some moments of true genius (often accompanied, it must be said, by some real stinkers)"."
Ironic appreciation, guilty pleasures and the before mentioned cheesiness are also often connected with songs like Love story and shake it off. Folklore would be one of her true moments of genius while some other works of her are more fittingly described as stinkers.
"Creation Records founder Alan McGee wrote in 2009 that there was a "non-ironic revival of Phil Collins" happening. According to McGee: "The kids don't care about 'indie cred' anymore. To them, a great pop song is just that: a great pop song. In this time of revivals, nothing is a sacred cow anymore, and that can only be a good thing for music.""
I wonder if future listeners will just ignore all the debates around her music and just listen to it and appreciate it as it is: good pop (at least the majority). Hating taylor because she is popular is a trend right now (and i mean hate, not criticis), just as it was with Phil Collins back then. Today's generation isn't aware of the past discourse and probably doesn't care that much. So I wonder if the discourse surrounding taylor fades while hits like shake it off, love story, anti hero, 22, all too well etc stay to be appreciated by future generations.
"In 2010, Gary Mills of The Quietus made an impassioned defence of Collins: "There can't be many figures in the world of pop who have inspired quite the same kind of hatred-bordering-on-civil-unrest as Collins, and there can't be too many who have shifted anything like the 150 million plus units that he's got through as a solo artist either ... "
hatred-bordering-on-civil-unrest and an unheard number of sold records, does it ring a bell?
"David Sheppard wrote for the BBC in 2010: "Granted, Collins has sometimes been guilty of painting the bull's-eye on his own forehead (that self-aggrandising Live Aid Concorde business, the cringe-worthy lyrics to 'Another Day in Paradise', Buster, etc.), but nonetheless, the sometime Genesis frontman's canon is so substantial and his hits so profuse that it feels myopic to dismiss him merely as a haughty purveyor of tortured, romantic ballads for the middle income world.""
The drama surrounding him jetting around the world to appear at both live aid concerts is mentioned again. As is another day in paradise, which basically was his yntcd. From the songs Wikipedia article: ""Another Day in Paradise" provoked controversy upon release and was widely criticised. Some critics found the wealthy Collins unqualified to sing about the poor, while others accused him of profiteering from homelessness.
Singer-songwriter and political activist Billy Bragg gave a 2000 interview in which he negatively compared Collins to the Clash, stating, "Phil Collins might write a song about the homeless, but if he doesn't have the action to go with it he's just exploiting that for a subject.""
"In a piece the following year, titled "10 Much-Mocked Artists It's Time We Forgave", New Musical Express critic Anna Conrad said Collins had been portrayed as a "villain", and wrote: "Was the bile really justified? ... come on, admit it. You've air drummed to 'In the Air Tonight', and loved it."
The Guardian journalist Dave Simpson wrote a complimentary article in 2013; while acknowledging "few pop figures have become as successful and yet reviled as Phil Collins", he argued "it's about time we recognised Collins's vast influence as one of the godfathers of popular culture"."
I think something similarly could be said for taylor. She's hotly discussed, yet has some true bangers and her influence is undeniable.
"Collins has been the victim of scathing remarks in regard to his alleged right-wing political leanings. "
Lastly, he too was accused of being right wing/conservative and later spoke out about his politics. He has a handful of songs that are political but is, besides some charity work, not as outspoken as other artists. Not that different from taylor.
To conclude:
Based on Phil Collins reception in the 80s and 90s and critics looking back on it now I would say that Taylors music will be remembered and it won't be overshadowed by her controversies. They might be remembered by those who saw them but the next generations will probably only know about the kimye drama. She is now criticised because of overexposure but I guess when we look back on this period it will all seem a lot less dramatic. It might seem weird to say it now but I'm pretty sure that there will be articles in 10 years which will critically examine the perception of taylor swift in the early 2020s. They might reference her private jets and relationships, her later silence in regards to politics and some of her less than mediocre songs but that won't overshadow the positive aspects of her career.
The media's role as well as social medias and her own role in her overexposure will be examined and the result will probably be "eh, equal faults I guess, but shake it off is a banger isn't it?". As I said, I wonder if she will speak out about that and I'm not sure what she would say.
Songs like shake it off, blank space, love story, 22, anti hero, wanegbt, ikywt and cruel summer will probably stay, simply because of their popularity. 1989 and folklore will probably be appreciated as the masterpieces they are but beside that most her music will probably fade away when it comes to the consciousness of the general public. But that's just how it is. We know who the most popular artists are and we can name a handful or their songs and one or two albums but besides that? She will still have fans, there will be kids who will discover her music and they won't stop talking about how cowboy like me is underrated or that Cornelia street live in Paris is better than the studio version. Her relationships will be dug up once in a while and when there's an album anniversary somebody on whatever media platform will be popular will make a post/video/whatever about the man who inspired it. People will discuss it for a week and immediately forget it. I think we overestimate how much the general public knows and cares about her boyfriends. Seriously. Get out of your bubble. In the end they won't be much more than an anecdote. Going back to Phil Collins, there was apparently a huge drama about him divorcing his wife via fax. Of course blown out of proportion by the sun. But did you knew about this? I (24yo) didn't. But I know in the air tonight, land of confusion, you can't hurry love and invisible touch.
To actually conclude: her legacy will be as average as her voice. She won't be forgotten and she won't be hailed like elvis. Her songwriting skills will be appreciated when it comes to songs like all too well, as well as her skill to create songs that just stay with you.
(I'm not comparing the quality of taylors songs with genesis and Phil Collins. But a banger is a banger and a song can be popular regardless of the quality. Taste is subjective and when I comes to classic acts some admiration is only shown in hindsight. What I’m comparing is the reception in their big days and based on Phil Collins status and reception nowadays what Taylors legacy will be.
As I said, I'm 24. What I know comes from an Wikipedia article. I also exclude his skills as a drummer from this analysis though when it comes to the general public most people don’t know much about this aspect except for the in the air tonight solo.)
So what do you think? This is all a bit random and spontaneous and I would love to see your input. Do you agree? Do you disagree? Do you see other parallels? Or parallels to other artists? I'd love to hear your opinions!
edit: after sobering up and reading the comments at the breakfast table like an old man reading the paper I realised that this a bit of a crack take. Still happy to read your comments and if you were there back then I’m curious to read about your experience.